Monday, March 22, 2010

CNN Poll: 59% of Americans Now in Opposition to Obama’s Health Care Plan

From RedState


Ohio1 said...

You said: "To be NBC [natural born citizen] you must be born on the soil to parents who are citizens."

That is not true. Every citizen at birth, meaning ALL citizens who were born in the USA, is a Natural Born Citizen.

You said: "Otherwise we set the standard that a dual citizen can be President and Commander In Chief."

That is true, a dual citizen can be President and Commander in chief, and Andrew Jackson probably was. NEITHER of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth.

Sure, he was born before the Constitution, which made every citizen eligible regardless of his place of birth or the citizenship of his parents. But, what if he were running today? According to the two-parent theory, Andrew Jackson would not be eligible to be president if he were running today because his parents were not citizens.

Fortunately, there is no evidence that the writers of the Constitution subscribed to the two-parent theory. The meaning of Natural Born at the time was simply "born in the country with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats."

lgstarr said...

Being born subject to a foreign power like a naturalized citizen, he is not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and therefore is not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military of the United States.

Ohio1 said...

That is what Puzo says. No one else does.

Both of Andrew Jackson's parents were not citizens, and he may have been subject to a foreign power at birth. Turned out all right for him and for his country. Are you saying that if he ran today he would not be eligible? If so why?

Two of the sitting supreme court justices, Alito and Scalia, had fathers who were not US citizens at birth. It is possible that they were subject to a foreign power at birth. Perhaps not. Or perhaps. Either way, the fact that there is a foreign law that says they are also foreign citizens does not affect the basic status of a child born in the USA.

To think that it does means that you feel that a foreign law has power in the USA, when we all know that it doesn't. A foreign law doesn't, and cannot make a person less loyal to the USA. So long as the child is born in the USA, she or he owes their complete allegiance to the USA, and that is the way the framers thought because that is the way Blackstone thought.

lgstarr said...

Puzo is not the only one. There are many others including attorney Leo Donofrio.

Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

Obama supports Raila Odinga which is just one example of the reason behind the "natural born citizen" REQUIREMENT of the U.S. Constitution:

Ohio1 said...

You said:

"There are many others including attorney Leo Donofrio."

Sorry, I forgot him. Yes, there are a few others. But neither that you mention are Constitutional experts, and both are opponents of Obama.

Here is a case that is impartial, and that finds that the children of foreigners are Natural Born Citizens.


Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.

End Quotes

Here is a definition from a legal dictionary:

“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition.

Here is the definition from two Conservative senators, both of whom voted against Obama on healthcare and on most things.

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

Here is what the Wall Street Journal's editorial page said:

"Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."

NEITHER of Andrew Jackson's parents were US citizens at the time of his birth in the USA. Would you say that if he ran today he should not be considered eligible? If not, why not? Surely he was a highly loyal president.

lgstarr said...

Mr. Strauss, I am so flattered that you want to spend so much time on my little blog. BTW, are you PRO Obama?